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Old 09-13-2011, 09:56 AM
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Default WTS: New 7.62x54R PKM Belts/links (half inventory now sold)

PKM 7.62 x 54R factory new qualified metallic links and ammunition cans in stock by the sealed case or pallet. 100rd belts with starter tab.

N.B. Half inventory now sold as of 3rd January 2017, balance subject to prior sale(s)

$300.00 - Delivery Included - per 10 - 100rd belts, each belt with its own starter tab in the domestic U.S. only, Ships least expensive way at this price

March 2016: We are now offering 10 - 100rd belts each with Starter Tab (1000 links, 10 starter tabs) for $300.00 per lot delivered in the domestic United States. Ships least expensive way only such as USPS or UPS, unless you want to pay the difference in transport. This is a good start for USG programs that need samples but have no funding, and we will even accept payment on your USG credit card.

Also for civilian shooters, who at about 700 RPM your PKM has put you in the “poor house” and cannot afford a full case, based on our “Poo Folks” pricing offer (the name of an actual restaurant in West Virginia).

We also offer 5,600 PKM link case pricing, full pallet pricing, and 1,000,000 link pricing directly from stock for 4-5 day emergency delivery to domestic US Conus bases so they can be overnight anywhere U.S.A.F transport wing flies. This is why we depot them in an heated, air conditioned U.S. warehouse for USG emergency delivery, since 2009 at our expense. For all of us who have served in the armed forces we understand military “hurry up and wait” procurement that will never change as the armed forces have changing priorities thrown at them out of the blue. No other contractor that we know of will carry six figures of "lost leader inventory" for the USG in the United States alone

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November 2013 Update

Special note to PKM users and buyers: The NATO US Mil Spec system buys M-240 and M-249 ammunition already linked, in M-13 and M-27 links respectively. The Eastern Standard “PKM system”, almost NEVER buys the ammunition linked.

For the Eastern Europeans, and at least one smart USG customer in 2002, it is best to by both items, as available and link as required (belt loaders stocked & provided, if necessary). If one holds out to buy both at the same time like M-240/M-249 ( a little unreality) they might just find the ammo and loose the links. Budget craziness is off and our smallest USG order to date was 2,000,000 links - twice what we have in stock in the US. Our European inventory would be 90-120 days from import if we sell out US stock . If this happens some customers can be practical, however some other will get really angry with both of us because stock was not held for them. We are both made to feel like we drove a dump truck over their pet cat Rupert (meow!) and we need to somehow atone for this.

Seriously, we spell this out to be clear and avoid the drama and the human anguish! Caveat Emptor.

Additionally, we were just reminded that our recently produced 7.62 x 54R PKM links are the last of an era that not only received factory production certification, but also strict MOD certification which was discontinued a few years ago throughout Eastern Europe due to cost cutting measures. Its essentially a double certification of the highest certified quality. When these links are gone, while we can produce more we can no longer provide both our factory production and MOD certification.


October 2013 Update

We finally found out what the situation is with the defective or hidden over priced PKM links and some 7.62 x 54R Steel Cased ammunition producers are now be considering our PKM link production, as a second source

In some cases, the customers are paying $29.00 to $38.00 USD per 100rd round belt with starter tab. They are also fully qualified PKM links like our own at $20.63 USD per belt with starter tab (price ex works Europe)*. Some manufactures hide the overcharge in the lower cost steel cased 7.62 x 54R ammunition, which makes things appear “normal”. We only produce 7.62 x 54R brass cased ammunition, and only provide steel cased ammunition as a distributor when we are over capacity, but we know both markets very well since 1986. We also replaced 2,000,000 rds of defective 7.62 x 54R ammunition for a U.S. government customer who found themselves caught in a real mess in 2002.

Worse still, some suppliers use refinished scrap links that are made to look like new but are used and damaged, which doesn't take much and will jam in a PKM. (its sort of "Russian Roulette" as to which situation you might have ) . Various American purchasers are still getting it up the rear end, “pardon my French” because they just don’t know the Eastern Standard Ammunition business and are vulnerable to overcharging or defective/used links being hidden in qualified lower cost steel cased offers (in which the ammunition is qualified but the links are not, including the use of false certificates. A similar case was caught in 2002 with missile certificates in Eastern Europe, leading to criminal fraud charges. If there is money to be made, these rascals stop at nothing. “Caveat Emptor” and don't bend over for the soap around these people. Our company has been involved in Eastern Europe since 1986 and have seen pretty much everything, in addition to similar “adventures” in North America on NATO/U.S. Mil Spec Standard.

The best solution to overcharging or being defrauded with used defective links is to ask for the cost of 7.62 x 54R PKM qualified steel cased ammunition in basic military packing for the best price (not all 7.62 x 54R FMJ will function in a PKM machine gun). If what we say turns out to be the case in your purchase, we can ship pallets of PKM links directly to your ammunition producer or you can. Either way you save overcharging and get a fully qualified product, and faster as we hold inventory that others simply don't have in stock for immediate delivery.
We can also provide you with as little as a single case of 5,600 links in the United States if you would like to purchase a sample in the US, or from our depot in Europe . We currently have over 1,000,000 links in the United States for immediate delivery, and over 3,000,000 in our production facility in Europe. We also have an approved export permit to France, from Europe, as of August to support French Afghan and African aid projects. We also just received yet another US import permit if more of the European inventory is required in the United States.

Additionally, we also hold a small stock of new production belt loaders in Europe so that customers can store separate types of 7.62 x 54R such as FMJ ball, tracer or API and link them as required for mission requirements, as needed

We hope this is helpful in avoiding disaster and another scandal

Last edited by Pathfinder; 01-13-2017 at 07:27 AM. Reason: inventory update: half sold
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Old 04-03-2012, 10:00 AM
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:55 AM
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Default PKM link configurations for sale and PKM belt loader availability

Questions asked worth sharing: The belts are produced in straight 100 round sections, each with its own starter tab. Each belt is then dipped in oil, packed two belts per plastic bag and 56 of the 100rd belts per wooden case

Regret no belt loaders in North America at the moment. We have to ride the hand cranked belt loaders in with another incoming shipment, otherwise the shipping cost on belt loaders alone is prohibitive for regular orders
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Old 07-25-2012, 09:22 AM
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Default Answers to PKM link questions asked

In answer to a few questions asked, this is indeed a price per belt. Other qualified new production internationally ranges from $24.00 USD per 100rd belt with starter tab from the China which is non-importable, to $29.00 USD per belt to $40.00 Euros per belt in various places in Eastern Europe for this complex, costly to produce link. Please keep in mind that these other prices are for the 20ft sea container price elsewhere. We stock new production qualified links, based on stock on hand, as a strategic complement to our 7.62 x 54R military ammunition sales. The shooter collector market simply benefits with sales of as little as a single case as an off shoot of this military logistic support. Please also keep in mind that some sell used belts with no qualification of fitness for as much as $40.00 USD per belt that was bought as metal scrap and imported. Used links such as, while OK for recreational shooting, should never been taken into the field as a military/combat qualified item. It is like used parachutes, climbing ropes, or un-documented used aircraft parts. If the links fail, someone is going to "drop out of the sky!"


We hope this helps to answer questions on PKM link pricing, availability and operational safety for actual service issue use
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:40 PM
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Default PKM 7.62x 54R 100rd Aluminum Ammo cans

We only have some new production 200rd and 250rd steel cans remaining in stock. More 100rd aluminum cans will be produced and shipped with the next shipment to be imported. 100rd Can orders can be produced separately on demand. however, it is better they "ride in" with other imports to reduce the landed cost unless there is a new immediate requirement that must be meet.
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Old 09-11-2012, 01:45 PM
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Thank you for your comments and I thought that we should share them with the group as we are all such keeners! . Most or much of what we provide is for military sale/government use only as we are primarily a defence contractor as opposed to a civilian sales importer. Items that are available for civilian sale and are in North America are advertised with pricing shown. Items such as 40mm grenades are not a civilian sales item, and pricing is quoted to qualified military government buyers only on a case by case basis from stock or production which changes.

The only aberration are the new production 7.62 x 39 Zastava M-70 / AK-47/AKM magazines which are depoted in Europe and will probably vanish in an military sale before we could import them. They were bought to support our military 7.62x39 rifle and new ammunition sales. There has been a flood of scrap and scrap refinished magazines bought and imported into the US based on price alone. While the price for the new magazines is attractive they are sold in bulk as class A combat serviceable military magazines. New rifles magazine and machine gun links truly are like parachutes and climbing ropes. They must be a new production, military service item upon which lives can depend. There is no room for used, refinished or civilian standard items. Its one thing for you and I to go to the range on the weekend as a hobby (we are shooters as well). It’s quite another for someone in the field when the fighting, killing and dying takes place in which there is truly no margin for error or sloppy or iffy standards and this is a huge responsibility

We noticed that our new production PKM cans we have in stock were not priced and could be and should have been. The prices are as follows with a minimum $200.00 order to avoid losing money on this new production item (new factory production, not used or refurbished surplus stock)

- 200 rd. 7.62 x 54R steel PKM ammunition can: $ 31.32 USD ( In stock).

- 250 rd. 7.62 x 54R steel PKM ammunition can: $ 25.80 USD (In stock, the highest volume can and the lowest price).

- 100 rd. 7.62 x 54R aluminum PKM ammunition can: $ 33.42 USD (Last price sold at, out of stock at the moment). These actually attach to the gun like an M-249/Mimimi plastic 200rd 5.56mm SAW pack.

There are limited numbers of the 200rd and 250rd cans in the U.S. and when they are gone, more will be imported along with more 100rd cans and PKM links. If history is any indiction, the US PKM link and can inventory may be gone by end of Sept 2012 as the USG spends its 2012 budget dollars before the end of this month to avoid losing them and having to spend 2013 dollars after the beginning of Oct 2012 - next month.

Please note that we have no connection to any other company. Our business practices for the past 26 + plus years are our own and believe they are pretty consistent and straight forward. Life is simpler that way. If we can answer a question well will. If we cannot, due to the primary nature of our business, we will tell you that also

We hope this lengthy explanation is helpful
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:50 AM
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In addition to the new production 7.62 x 54R PKM links and cans, we have both in the United States now, however, when we bring in another shipment, if we have any links remaining at that moment, we plan to bring in new production PKM hand cranked belt loaders as well in limited numbers.

These will come in with the other items to save shipping, but also because the PKM belt loader is a "Category III(c) of the United States Munitions Import List and would require a Form 6 Import permit for importation" (this is straight from BATF). We are applying for another permit now but this will take 4-6 weeks and also be based on a piggy back with a larger shipment to keep the costs sane
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In addition to the new production 7.62 x 54R PKM links and cans, we have both in the United States now, however, when we bring in another shipment, if we have any links remaining at that moment, we plan to bring in new production PKM hand cranked belt loaders as well in limited numbers.

These will come in with the other items to save shipping, but also because the PKM belt loader is a "Category III(c) of the United States Munitions Import List and would require a Form 6 Import permit for importation" (this is straight from BATF). We are applying for another permit now but this will take 4-6 weeks and also be based on a piggy back with a larger shipment to keep the costs sane
Thanks for keeping the costs sane!!! In fact, the cheeper the better! Would hate to have to boycott items to fight for lower prices.

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Old 09-21-2012, 11:05 AM
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Other Lengths: - We also produce 200rd and 250rd belts (or variations) upon request, but consider the 100rd with starter tab to be the most practical for most operations. These new production belts can also be converted into the two longer, or smaller, lengths simply with the use of a pair of needle nose pliers. This is exactly the same way the belts are assembled during production. Simply detach one starter tab and join full belts or part belts as needed. This can be done in the field by soldiers or in our production facility according to customer requests.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:51 AM
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In the long term it is just good business to offer a consistently fair price. Squabbling with hotels, airlines, and ups at the gas pump drives most of us crazy. Profiteering excessively like the ups at the gas pump really needs to be regulated fairly somehow, as I really feel like we are being forced to "bend over for the soap", and that is just not me! Most of us wouldn’t do this to others any more that we like being treated this way ourselves. In many cases "what goes around, comes around".

At the same time businesses need to make a fair profit, or they cease to be in business. When this happens, then they are no good to anyone, especially to a military customer in time of need. We all have our own ways to "sorting this out" as the Brits would say, but in the long term its about reaching a happy balance to us. Its nice to be able to go back to the same supplier knowing you are always going to be treated consistently and fairly, instead of wondering to yourself, "when am I I going to gave to put on the level four body armour?" For the business it is good and profitable in the long term to have regular returning customers in which it is possible to build an ongoing or even expanding relationship with. After doing this for over 26+ years we have learned well that in many cases one good thing can lead to another, and is never fundamentally about the deal, but rather about the people at the foundation of it all.

Taking about price, we have seen used 100rd PKM belts for $40.00 USD, and other new production qualified new production belts like our own going for (by the full sea container, not the case or by the belt) at $24.00 USD belt in 2001, and with others for exactly the same belt at $29.00 USD, $38.00 USD and up to 40 Euros per belt. PKM belt/links are more costly to produce, as opposed to simpler 5.56mm M-27 and 7.62 M-13 due to the increased complexity and hand work, but some of these prices really are just crazy.

We offer what we consider to be a fair, very competitive price at $21.66 USD per belt ( and have sold many millions) by the case only because the PKM links are a strategic item to support our new production 7.62 x 54R ammunition sales. If we were not doing both at the same time, we probably would not have imported the links into the US, but because we are involved in both, we do and will continue to offer the same price while we have this inventory in stock.

Started off with my 2 cents on the PKM cans, and ended up with a buck fifty and a "business and ethics 202 course". Oh well

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Thanks for keeping the costs sane!!! In fact, the cheeper the better! Would hate to have to boycott items to fight for lower prices.

Thank you!!!
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