20 MM cannnon

[swedishmeat]

used to be available in the sixties until classified as a DD.
If we compare the 50BMG to the 20MM. What can we expect. I don't see 20mm ammo (or components) for sale at any price in todays market. If the politicians continue to do as they please...what are we to be facing in five or ten years?
I think we may be able to make bullets on a lathe, but brass and primers?

[dutigaf]

Anzio is making a 20mm bolt action 5 shot and a semi auto in 20mm and will sell you ammo if you want one.


take a look. these are good fellows, they built my 50sniper for me.


http://www.anzioironworks.com/

[swedishmeat]

I could have worded the question better, however. I think you answered it anyway.
Question shoulda ben.
What would be the difference, from a current owners perspective, if they reclassify the 50BMG as a NFA weapon or a Destructive device.
If the 20mm guns and ammo are still available then that answers that.
Unless, the alphabet boys decide to raid Mr Anzio and declare " We Reevaluated..."

[dutigaf]

yeah that could happen.... but for now buy one sell it "at the flea market" then purchase it back for cash later. did i say that? yes i did.

[Kali Komrade]

Did I miss sometin' down at the bottom of the page for the 20mm it said this item is classified as a DD or is that just that hitch mount they are advertising...

[dutigaf]

i didnt see the DD classification on the page but it may just be me there is a bunch of overwriting on my screen down there. let us know before we order one.... :-)

[VonRundstedt]

Anything over .51 is considered a destructive device unless it is muzzle loaded and black powder.

[Kali Komrade]

huh I didn't know that... is that in one of the Fed GCA's Von... :banghead:

[VonRundstedt]

I better look it up, but I believe it was part of the '68 legislation, not the original '30s laws, because even in the '50's, Lahti AT guns were being sold over-counter and mail order, then after John Kennedy was killed supposedly with an "imported Military Rifle", Bobby Kennedy got shot with a little revolver, the Government saw fit to regulate everything else too, in typical government fashion. Government litterally used its own ongoing purge of political troublemakers to pass more gun legislation. And big caliber guns able to take on tanks were on the list.
It was an interesting time in America. We got about 2 seconds from the Second American Revolution, then Nixon crashed. Had he not folded under pressure of impeachment, there would have been more warfare in America's streets, and a full scale revolt. Remember, this was the heyday of the Panthers..the Students for Democratic Society..the Weathermen..and a dozen splinter groups all advocating quite openly, armed combat with police and government. Gunbattles happened. The raids on the Panthers.. 4 dead at Kent State Ohio from a National Guard attack on a demonstration. Raids on Weathermen strongholds. Many dead in the news, many more you never heard about, and scores of questionable arrests and lets say, "mistreatment" of people in custody. I remember vividly those days. I remember the convention in Miami, I remember M113 ACAV APC's driving to every major intersection with .50 cals leveled. I also remember vividly the treatment by police in Dade County of all long hairs and suspected hippies, including me. I was damn near killed one fine night by a half dozen shotgun armed officers just for my long hair and public image with my loud ass subversive commie rock band.
I also remember the wonderland that a typical Army Surplus store was then. OMG, if I knew then what I know NOW...live M18 smokes, ammo, rifles, gear, CHEAP and plentiful.
Hey, you think they ever really accounted for all of those Thompsons, BAR's, Lahti's and the like sold in the 20's and '30s? Of course not. No databases, no computers, lots of handshake FTF sales back then...there is some high powered treasure hidden in barns and attics all over this country.
I think it is part of the '68 gun control act that any weapon firing a rifled bore, cased cartridge breech load over .51 is a destructive device. Smooth bore muzzle load black powder guns are exempt, as they're not likely to stop one of Uncle's tracked APC's, at least not firing a conventional black powder projectile. Now that you got me going, when did mortars get classified? They muzzle load and don't have rifling..hmmm.
It's all ludicrous really..in a full on revolt, with all the technical mechanical skills out here in the public at large? Shit, I could build my own panzerfaust / RPG's from scratch, subguns are too easy, and even Mujahideen in Afghanistan had AK factories in blacksmith shops, so what do you think WE could build?
Legislation by paranoid governments is ludicrous, don't you think?

[dutigaf]

short answer...... yes it is.

[VonRundstedt]

ok, so I got nothin better to do today....I'm ramblin. What are forums for, if not to ramble on mindlessly about stuff nobody else gives a sht about?

[mrkubota]

Oddly enough, in CA, the DD breakpoint is defined as .60 caliber.

I supposed somebody could test the waters by necking a 20mm back down to .60 (as the original prototype) and building an Anzio type gun.

[Kali Komrade]

Damn... I gotta get the hell out of here... Next it will be bowling ball mortars right... :banghead:

[dutigaf]

i can do that...

Von, you know i was just funnin with ya.

it was a good read. :beer:

[VonRundstedt]

I know.
I'm just full of venom today. I listened to the Liar 'n Chief last night and had to take a shower. I felt so...used. So excuse me, I woke up this morning with revolution on my mind.

[dutigaf]

its cool here bub.

im a country boy who lives in the stix, so you know that to me gun control means using 2 hands and that if you own them all there are none left for the bad guys.....and of course the saying: a country boy can survive. so bring on a revolution!

when the dust clears i'll still be around.