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[Phalanx]

Allen that guy on TOS selling the Howitzer ? that tube is very old and most likely made of cast iron.
Some of these are not safe to shoot and the bores are usally pitted.

[KABAR2]

Yeah I didn't want to advertise him here as he is not a member and both Slick and myself do not care for the man. I believe him to be a :bs: artist at least, in his first post he wrote:

"i am selling my mountin howitzer it has originsal three foot steel 1/4 "banded wheels and three foot long barrel the barrel is sleeved with a stailess steel sleeve made to shoot beer cans filled with concreet told they go for over two miles !!
recently repainted and restored all in excelent condition had it outside for past 5 years in vermont the stock is new I had it made to original specs and U.S. gov. plan s and blueprints set of plans inclided with the gun no rust or rot stock made from two 10"square red oak beems all hand cut buy traditinal tools, chisels, and hand saws, took me about 1 year to complete the stock painted corect U.S. colors as per gov. specs. Amoskeeg auctions wants to sell this for me in the spring but i will offer it here first i was told that the steel banded wheels are worth over $3.000 by themselves and the 500 plus lbs. barrel about ther same comes with ram rod and mop no screw pull dont need one for beer cans,I have never fired this gun and the touch hole is currently spiked I will remove the spike plug this week. should br picked up at my home in Vermont would be real hard to ship this as total weight is over 1000 lbs. or more auctuion house told me it will bring at least $5,000 so that what I will take a new one like this currently sells for about twice that amount"

O.K. first off if you have a liner to me it would indicate no reduced chamber, BEER CAN bore size, is not Howitzer this may look like a Howitzer but is really a cannon. original mountian howitzer specs.:
Mountain Howitzer 37 inches 220 pounds 4.62 inches 900 yards Bronze

Latter in another post he wites:
"sorry it is not a hern tube this is a real old mountain howitzer barrell weighs well over 500 lbs. i tried to re email ther pics so some one can post them I am quite shure this was made in mid 1800 the wheels ans axcel box are original the iron mis as i got it but i rebuolt the stock as it had rotted away from being out doors for probably 50 years ore more in Vermont weather send me your email and i will be able to send you the pics" ???????!!!!!!!!??????? HUH?

1)How dose it go from having a "STAINLESS STEEL LINER" to "a real old mountain howitzer barrell"?
2) "barrell weighs well over 500 lbs." data for weight of a real barrel:
Mountain Howitzer 37 inches 220 pounds 4.62 inches 900 yards Bronze
The fact that he never is able to post photos and has never emailed them to someone who offered to post them to me is suspect. at the beginning of this year his first post was the sale of a full auto M1919 with no photos his price was at what the market would bear. So he knows the market, why sell this Now old "original" fully restored cannon so cheap? I have not weighed in on this at TOS because I don't need to raise the blood pressure by getting into a pissing match.

http://www.cwartillery.org/aguns.html

http://civilwartalk.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php?p2_articleid=175

http://www.batteryb.com/mountain_howitzer.html



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[Phalanx]

I was noticing the also ,how can it be made in the 1800s if it has a stainless liner ? And if it is from this time period who ever put a liner in it just screwed up a museum piece. Like you its weight isn't correct ,no mountain or pack Howitzer ever weighed that much ,a siege Howitzer would have , but they were not on a carriage usually ,some of them were on Trains,Forts ,Ships . A field Howitzer was on a carriage ,and it was 800lbs ,but that tube alone is $16k. My ord rifle is 850 ,and was $6k ,loaded up with limber she comes in at about 3klbs. Susan's web site says her full scale ,12 pound Mt Howitzer is 290 lbs ,3in. bore and is $5k.Made from Bronze ,4.5 bore 250 lbs. $10k ... Here it is!! ,on her site the siege howitzer weighed in at 600 lbs ,made in Ductile iron , 1/2in. liner $8k .and had an 8 in . bore .The only one even coming close is a British 5 ,1/2 bore used both in siege or Naval applications with fixed mounts and it weighs 425 lbs ,at $4k. The South Bend site concurs with this,Except he says these Barrels are very rare and few of them have ever been recovered,to build the one he sells he had to go to the Museum of Naval Warfare in England to get the specs. His Carriage dimensions are wrong also ,a carriage for a field Howitzer cost $10k and is 50% iron or steel with a wheel base of 6 feet. Sorry to be long winded ,but this gun sounds like a jury rig ,and when a couple of the guys on TOS who knew all of this wrote him he got angry like he did with me. Note : South Bend says ,The two cannon used on the USS Monitor were of a special design, 1861, 20 lb. parrot,,RIFLES, with the barrel Length extended from the usual 90in. to 105 in. and the bore from 3.5 to 4 in,This has nothing to do with this ,but i didn't know that.
Allen you were correct ,even if the gun Harold is selling does exist ,it isn't to scale or authentic at anywhere near that price .It would not be allowed in re-enacting ,or on many firing lines. To even put that tube on a Carriage , it would need to be a #3 then the end of the muzzle would not clear the wheels well enough to keep them from receiving concussion ,and the balance of the gun would be horrible. A #3 is used for the very big guns ,although LTD does show a special built carriage for a Siege Howitzer,few were ever mounted like this ,and that carriage is 16mths.delivery at $14,000.00 alone. In Susan's book ,she has a chart on real tubes and Carriages and the price they would be worth if original . I found the tube ,but no Carriage is even listed .That tube if it is in the condition he says it is is worth $20,000.00 alone ,mounted to a usable carriage he would have close to 40 grand in it ,and it is still not recommended to fire.